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a question of feedback

  • Jun. 13th, 2006 at 12:07 AM
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So I pretty much missed the whole hate meme phenomena, or at least the SGA one. A lot of people have been posting their outrage, and yeah. I just don't get it (hate memes that is, not outrage) because it seems like, at least in the supernatural threads, it was all about "blah blah blah I hate this person because they write stuff I don't like and they're obviously a huge bitch because other people do like it."

Um. Way to be self-sabotaging fandom! Hating people who are actively participating in fandom just because they're participating is not going to help anything. And what's up with the personal vendettas against BNFs? There's this really nifty feature called the scroll button when you don't want to read something.

Anyway, some people defend hate memes because they're like, the only opportunity for non-BNFs to be heard and anonymous commenting levels the playing field or something. Yes, it totally sucks that lj is more of a popularity contest than a cohesive community, but seriously, if you're yourself are actually involved in fandom, can you not see the good in encouraging everyone to participate? Because it seems to me that a lot of times creative people play off of each other and encouraging that should never, ever be a bad thing. One thing I do wish though, is that some of the stuff brought up in the hate threads could actually be discussed outside of the context of petty, spiteful commentary.

[livejournal.com profile] eleveninches posted the other day, I think in response to something that came up in [livejournal.com profile] sga_hate, about authors responding to feedback. She asked if people are affected by whether or not an author responds to their feedback. While I didn't see the original threads, I imagine some of the hate was directed at several prolific authors in the sga fandom who somewhat notoriously don't respond to feedback. In response to her questions I said this about my feedback habits:

I really try to leave feedback for everything I enjoyed reading, but if it's a writer who I know doesn't respond to feedback, I usually won't bother. Above and beyond any considerations of fandom etiquette and politeness, not responding to feedback (at least to me) seems to indicate a certain level of indifference towards even getting feedback at all.

And personally, I like writing feedback, I like picking out what I loved, and telling writers exactly what worked for me. So I usually spend a good amount of time trying to construct something more than a quick "thanks!" (not that there's anything wrong with doing that, sometimes it's all I have time for too.) Fandom is a reciprocal culture, if I don't feel like the time I put into feedback is appreciated, I won't leave it. And more than that, feedback is pretty much the best opportunity for readers to interact with writers, it's how a lot of meta gets discussed, and how a lot of people meet new friends. I don't think every writer has to automatically make friends with all of their reviewers, but I think it's nice when the channels of communication are at least open to that, even if all it is is a standard thank you reply, at least that's something.

Some of the best meta discussions I've had have come out of feedback threads, [livejournal.com profile] synecdochic is especially good at fostering those sorts of conversations when she posts fanfic. I know I've gotten to be better friends with at least half of the writers on my friendslist through conversations that started with feedback. And I know not all authors are interested in that or have time for that, but at least a thank you is, I think, called for when people give you a compliment. It just feels, at worst, rude and at least, like they don't care that people have left them feedback.

(stealing [livejournal.com profile] eleveninches' questions:) What do you guys think? Does anyone think a blanketed thank you is a poor response to feedback? Do you not leave feedback if the author doesn't say thanks? Do you get annoyed seeing an author saying a standard thank you to every comment left for them? Do you not care and leave feedback regardless of the author's actions? And, because I know there are several authors on my friendslist, do you guys all respond to your feedback? Do you feel like you have to? Or that it's a waste of time when all you can really say is "thanks" 40 times?

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[identity profile] theantimodel.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 13th, 2006 08:52 pm (UTC)
I definitely fall down on responding to comments left on stories months old, however, and then I feel bad when I remember that I didn't comment.

I think this probably works both ways. It's a rare person who responds to an older story in the first place. I for one, and pretty terrible at leaving feedback on older stories, and I've definitely noticed that when I do I get a much lower response rate to my feedback (somewhat of a vicious circle I guess.)

After all of this discussion, I think I might try to get better at leaving feedback more than I have been lately. I keep reccing stories and realising belatedly that I haven't left feedback to the story itself.
[identity profile] kaizoku.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 15th, 2006 01:20 am (UTC)
I keep reccing stories and realising belatedly that I haven't left feedback to the story itself.

I was just wondering about that, actually. It's really a completely different topic, but I'm curious what the "reccer etiquette" is on this, i.e. if you rec something should you comment on it? Also, I've noticed that some people ask permission to rec stories or leave notice, and I'm curious about that too. It doesn't seem to be universal, but do people get angry if you don't ask or tell them? (Sorry if this has all been hashed and re-hashed before.)
[identity profile] theantimodel.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 15th, 2006 04:59 pm (UTC)
You know, I don't think there's any real recs etiquette because there just aren't enough formal reccers to warrant any discussion about it. I try to comment on all of the stories I rec. Mostly because if I liked a story enough to rec it (which probably amounts to somewhere between 5% and 15% of what I read total) then I liked it enough to feedback it. If I notice that I forgot, I'll usually go back after I've reccer it and leave feedback along with a link to my rec. In terms of asking permission I never ask an author if I can rec their stories, first off, because I've never seen an author complain about getting pimped to other people as a good writer about whom they should know, and secondly because it would take too much time, some authors never reply to any of their comments, some take days, I wouldn't want to be waiting on a recs post for one author to give me the okay when there's really not much doubt that they would be happy about having been recced.
[identity profile] kaizoku.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 15th, 2006 07:21 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's mostly been my take on it, too. The only exception I can think of is if you give a rec/review that's not completely positive (e.g. really liked the story but there were pacing problems, etc.) Though I tend to think that if someone posts a story publicly, discussion of said work is to be expected.
[identity profile] theantimodel.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 15th, 2006 09:21 pm (UTC)
Interestingly, if an author doesn't directly ask for constructive criticism, I am much more likely to mention any problems I had with a story in my rec than in my feedback. One quality I look for in a reccer is honesty, and I've always tried to give honest recommendations when I rec stuff for the same reason.