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a question of feedback

  • Jun. 13th, 2006 at 12:07 AM
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So I pretty much missed the whole hate meme phenomena, or at least the SGA one. A lot of people have been posting their outrage, and yeah. I just don't get it (hate memes that is, not outrage) because it seems like, at least in the supernatural threads, it was all about "blah blah blah I hate this person because they write stuff I don't like and they're obviously a huge bitch because other people do like it."

Um. Way to be self-sabotaging fandom! Hating people who are actively participating in fandom just because they're participating is not going to help anything. And what's up with the personal vendettas against BNFs? There's this really nifty feature called the scroll button when you don't want to read something.

Anyway, some people defend hate memes because they're like, the only opportunity for non-BNFs to be heard and anonymous commenting levels the playing field or something. Yes, it totally sucks that lj is more of a popularity contest than a cohesive community, but seriously, if you're yourself are actually involved in fandom, can you not see the good in encouraging everyone to participate? Because it seems to me that a lot of times creative people play off of each other and encouraging that should never, ever be a bad thing. One thing I do wish though, is that some of the stuff brought up in the hate threads could actually be discussed outside of the context of petty, spiteful commentary.

[livejournal.com profile] eleveninches posted the other day, I think in response to something that came up in [livejournal.com profile] sga_hate, about authors responding to feedback. She asked if people are affected by whether or not an author responds to their feedback. While I didn't see the original threads, I imagine some of the hate was directed at several prolific authors in the sga fandom who somewhat notoriously don't respond to feedback. In response to her questions I said this about my feedback habits:

I really try to leave feedback for everything I enjoyed reading, but if it's a writer who I know doesn't respond to feedback, I usually won't bother. Above and beyond any considerations of fandom etiquette and politeness, not responding to feedback (at least to me) seems to indicate a certain level of indifference towards even getting feedback at all.

And personally, I like writing feedback, I like picking out what I loved, and telling writers exactly what worked for me. So I usually spend a good amount of time trying to construct something more than a quick "thanks!" (not that there's anything wrong with doing that, sometimes it's all I have time for too.) Fandom is a reciprocal culture, if I don't feel like the time I put into feedback is appreciated, I won't leave it. And more than that, feedback is pretty much the best opportunity for readers to interact with writers, it's how a lot of meta gets discussed, and how a lot of people meet new friends. I don't think every writer has to automatically make friends with all of their reviewers, but I think it's nice when the channels of communication are at least open to that, even if all it is is a standard thank you reply, at least that's something.

Some of the best meta discussions I've had have come out of feedback threads, [livejournal.com profile] synecdochic is especially good at fostering those sorts of conversations when she posts fanfic. I know I've gotten to be better friends with at least half of the writers on my friendslist through conversations that started with feedback. And I know not all authors are interested in that or have time for that, but at least a thank you is, I think, called for when people give you a compliment. It just feels, at worst, rude and at least, like they don't care that people have left them feedback.

(stealing [livejournal.com profile] eleveninches' questions:) What do you guys think? Does anyone think a blanketed thank you is a poor response to feedback? Do you not leave feedback if the author doesn't say thanks? Do you get annoyed seeing an author saying a standard thank you to every comment left for them? Do you not care and leave feedback regardless of the author's actions? And, because I know there are several authors on my friendslist, do you guys all respond to your feedback? Do you feel like you have to? Or that it's a waste of time when all you can really say is "thanks" 40 times?

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[identity profile] mcalex22.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 13th, 2006 07:41 am (UTC)
I leave feedback when I like a story and tend to stay silent if I don't. However if I know the author or she specifically requests constructive criticisms, I would leave a comment. But generally I'm not comfortable with giving criticism as I always fear that I wouldn't word it properly and it would be terribly misconstrued.

I admire anyone who can write... having no such talent myself. I am also one of those people who writes paragraphs or attempts to write meaningful sentences about what the story left me feeling/thinking or the bits I loved about it. I like leaving comments and many authors on my flist always respond or leave a general comment thanking people.

I can honestly say that there is only one author in SGA whose stories I never comment, mainly because:
1) She doesn't respond to any comments people leave her,

2) She gets many comments (eg more than 50) and I'm not sure if she has the time to wade through everything and respond personally.

3) When I read her other entries, she makes comments about the comments she receives that make me feel that my comments would only serve to irritate her!
I've read that some authors complain about people saying, "Cool" or stuff like, "I'm really looking forward to your next story..." and I always try to be nice and polite, to show my admiration and appreciation of a story if I know that an author is particularly sensitive to comments and I don't know her personally, I will tend to remain silent.

Having said that, I don't always expect authors to respond because I know that sometimes, you simply run out of things to say if 100 people leave comments and especially if they leave one word sentences.
[identity profile] theantimodel.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 13th, 2006 07:50 am (UTC)
Ahahaha oh man, I totally said that I try to leave feedback on every story I read and I am such a liar, I meant to say that I try to leave feedback on every story I enjoyed reading. I read so much badfic on any particular day it's not even funny. I try, as a reccer, to keep a pretty wide radar or stories to read, and while it's definitely ensured that I've discovered a lot of authors from outside my friendslist, it's also meant that I've read at least 3 paragraphs of a TON of fic I could not ever possibly find anything nice to say to in a review.

I am fairly sure I know the person you're talking about and I also, do not leave feedback for her very often. I used to, it just got to a point where there was no point for me to spend the time on it.
[identity profile] mcalex22.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 13th, 2006 09:30 am (UTC)
Well, I do look at your rec's as I like your descriptions - they're quite meaningful and I do read the stories you mention.

I shoulld clarify that, regarding the author I mentioned above, I have nothing personal against her. Rather, I think that she has a wonderful talent for writing but I'm not sure if she has the time to read all her comments and so I feel that me leaving one extra comment wouldn't make a difference!

I think you touched on this issue in your comment above to someone else. Plus I'm also one of those people who cringes at my own comments and often worries that I'm going to offend someone out there unintentionally. If I can't say anything meaningful, I figure that it's safer to remain silent.

Re: badfic, I think I always try to give the author the benefit of the doubt. I figure everyone has to start somewhere and learn from mistakes. Plus writing is a skill that not everyone is gifted with. I can write factual essays and reports to regulatory authorities. But to write creatively is something I lack the ability to... I guess if an author responds to comments rather than shuts people out, I'm more likely to comment and to give encouragement. Otherwise, I'll hold back.

:)